(08/18 14:47:17) Chat.log started... (08/18 15:03:11) Robert The Rebuilder: Well, let me review the format with you all. (08/18 15:03:12) Metaigahn: maybe we can do something about that! (08/18 15:03:13) Paradox: The hoods need to have the Lattice bug fixed before anything else >.> (08/18 15:03:19) Marein.: True (08/18 15:03:23) Robert The Rebuilder: I'll pose a question to the group... (08/18 15:03:35) Robert The Rebuilder: then you all respond - at any time you want; don't worry about taking turns... (08/18 15:03:40) Robert The Rebuilder: the chat logs will catch everything said. (08/18 15:03:54) Robert The Rebuilder: After a minute or two, I'll notify that we'll be moving to the next question like this: (08/18 15:03:55) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:03:56) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:03:57) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:04:04) Robert The Rebuilder: THen I'll pose the next question. (08/18 15:04:15) Robert The Rebuilder: If you want me to clarify a question, just ask. (08/18 15:04:22) Robert The Rebuilder: Does everyone understand? (08/18 15:04:23) Paradox: Sounds good :) (08/18 15:04:29) Metaigahn: yes (08/18 15:04:32) Dovahn: Yep. (08/18 15:04:32) Marein.: Yup (08/18 15:04:34) Robert The Rebuilder nods his head (08/18 15:04:37) Robert The Rebuilder: Good. (08/18 15:04:39) Marein.: Shorah Tai'lahr (08/18 15:04:43) Paradox: !shorah Tai'lahr (08/18 15:04:50) Robert The Rebuilder: Tai'lahr - come on up to the clock! (08/18 15:04:50) Tai'lahr: Shorah y'all! (08/18 15:05:21) Robert The Rebuilder: OK - here is the first question (easy one): (08/18 15:05:39) Robert The Rebuilder: How would you rate your age creation experience on a 5-point scale? (where 1 = none, and 5 = contributed at least 50% to creation of a publicly available age) (08/18 15:05:49) Paradox: 8? (08/18 15:05:52) Paradox: :P (08/18 15:05:58) Marein.: 2! (08/18 15:06:04) Marein.: Or maybe 3 (08/18 15:06:12) Metaigahn: 3 (08/18 15:06:19) Marein.: Yeah 3 (08/18 15:06:20) Dovahn: 1.5 (I read about the process and watched it happen, but didn't participate.) (08/18 15:06:26) Robert The Rebuilder: Welcome, luetwo (08/18 15:06:27) Luetwo: 1 (08/18 15:06:27) GermanShepherd: same (08/18 15:06:40) Robert The Rebuilder: I'll ask the question again... (08/18 15:06:50) GermanShepherd: I'm a newb... just gathering info to see what it's all like :D (08/18 15:06:55) Robert The Rebuilder: How would you rate your age creation experience on a 5-point scale? (where 1 = none, and 5 = contributed at least 50% to creation of a publicly available age) (08/18 15:06:59) Marein.: 3 (08/18 15:07:22) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:07:23) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:07:24) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:07:27) Marein.: ? (08/18 15:07:35) Robert The Rebuilder: OK - now for questions regarding the MIssion Statement of GoW. (08/18 15:07:37) Robert The Rebuilder: First question: (08/18 15:07:46) Robert The Rebuilder: What would the GoW provide the community that currently is not available? (08/18 15:07:57) Paradox: Tools that actually work (08/18 15:08:01) Robert The Rebuilder: lol (08/18 15:08:02) Paradox: Tools with documentation (08/18 15:08:08) Dovahn: Player designed ages. (08/18 15:08:10) GermanShepherd: yes... documentation good (08/18 15:08:11) Paradox: Tools that are userfriendly (08/18 15:08:41) Paradox: Ages that are user-created and representatice of the creative faucets of our community (08/18 15:08:43) Marein.: Yes, all of that what Par said (08/18 15:08:57) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:08:58) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:08:59) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:09:02) Robert The Rebuilder: Next question: (08/18 15:09:06) Robert The Rebuilder: What would the GoW be responsible for? (08/18 15:09:09) Marein.: Ages that can extremely easily be imported by non-builders (08/18 15:09:18) Marein.: (that was for the previous question) (08/18 15:09:26) Paradox: Making sure that Cyan content is not abused (08/18 15:09:43) Dovahn: (If we had access to it) (08/18 15:09:45) Paradox: Making sure that all Ages meet the legal requirements (08/18 15:09:52) Paradox: (no copyright textures/sounds/objects/etc.) (08/18 15:10:08) Paradox: The GoW would be responsible for the AGes that it creates (08/18 15:10:20) Dovahn: Responsible for the safety. (08/18 15:10:31) Metaigahn: I am agreeing with all this so far.... (08/18 15:10:33) Paradox: !shorah Dhelayan (08/18 15:10:33) GermanShepherd: so if an age sucks someone into a black hole, they're responsible for the family >.> (08/18 15:10:37) Paradox: lol (08/18 15:10:43) Marein.: Haha (08/18 15:10:48) Paradox: but... yes (08/18 15:10:54) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:10:55) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:10:56) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:10:59) Robert The Rebuilder: Next question: (08/18 15:11:03) Robert The Rebuilder: What lies outside the GoW's responsibilities? (08/18 15:11:29) Paradox: The GoW is not directly responsible for the Tools (08/18 15:11:45) Dovahn: ? (08/18 15:11:54) Dovahn: Isn't that what we just spoke about? (08/18 15:11:56) Robert The Rebuilder: WHat about artwork that is not used in an age? Is GoW responsible for that? (08/18 15:12:12) Paradox: Tools are (obviously) designed with the GoW in mind; and the GoW will have influence on the Tools; but the Tools themselves are not part of the GoW (08/18 15:12:16) Robert The Rebuilder: And what about creative writing not related to an age? (08/18 15:12:31) GermanShepherd: creative writing... like novels? (08/18 15:12:33) Marein.: Well, if the tools are inexpertly used to abuse the game and render it unplayable the GoW is not responsible for that (08/18 15:12:34) Robert The Rebuilder: Right (08/18 15:12:35) Paradox: I suppose that Artwork would depend on whether it could be used in the future or not (08/18 15:12:46) loyholleran: hi (08/18 15:12:57) GermanShepherd: the D'ni Guild of Writers was strictly for Ages... there's another Guild for creative writing (08/18 15:12:57) Robert The Rebuilder: Shorah, loyhelleran - come on up to the clock (08/18 15:13:04) Paradox: I'd like the idea of releasing some concept Art similar to the way that Cyan does... (08/18 15:13:07) Robert The Rebuilder: Welcome, Craigmont (08/18 15:13:19) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:13:20) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:13:21) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:13:22) Paradox: GS > yes, but the GoW will need people to write storyline for the Ages (08/18 15:13:33) Robert The Rebuilder: The next segment will be about Structure: ranks, privileges and responsibilities (08/18 15:13:36) Metaigahn: Yes, our focus in Ages -- creativity not directly involved is outside, imho (08/18 15:13:38) Robert The Rebuilder: First question: (08/18 15:13:39) Dovahn: Oh, boy... (08/18 15:13:49) Robert The Rebuilder: Would having a ranking prove beneficial to the GoW? Why or why not? (08/18 15:13:56) Paradox: Not really (08/18 15:14:05) Luetwo: I don't think so (08/18 15:14:13) Dovahn: My answer: yes, because it can give people something to aspire to. (08/18 15:14:13) Marein.: No (08/18 15:14:15) Paradox: The structure should be dynamic based on the project (08/18 15:14:31) Dovahn: Not too large or anything, but hard work should be rewarded in a tangible way. (08/18 15:14:37) loyholleran: where is every one (08/18 15:14:42) Paradox: Using the example of Ahra Pahts here (one of the Age Builders Ages) (08/18 15:14:43) Marein.: Yes, everyone has their own tasks but not ranks in the big picture of the guild (08/18 15:14:57) Luetwo: but it could make those who have not had luck getting an age going get discouraged (08/18 15:14:57) Paradox: Aloys is "in charge" because he designed the Age and the master plan for it (08/18 15:15:01) Metaigahn: Well, aside from projects, does the GOW have need for it's own administration? (08/18 15:15:17) Paradox: however, Aloys is not anymore important than anyone else in any other projects (08/18 15:15:17) Metaigahn: too coordinate the projects and tools (08/18 15:15:22) Dovahn: Something small, possibly. (08/18 15:15:45) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:15:45) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:15:46) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:15:49) Robert The Rebuilder: Next question: (08/18 15:15:52) Luetwo: I think we need someone who can pass projects between people in the guild (08/18 15:15:53) Paradox: I'd like to see people take on leadership roles without the promise of a reward (08/18 15:15:54) Robert The Rebuilder: What privileges would a member of the GoW have over non-members? (08/18 15:16:06) Luetwo: There are some things I cannot do, yet others can (08/18 15:16:17) Craigmont waves hello (08/18 15:16:18) GermanShepherd: hopefully none...? (08/18 15:16:24) Paradox: Access to the storyline resources and models for Ages (08/18 15:16:24) GermanShepherd: other than making ages :p (08/18 15:16:35) Dovahn: Probably nothing besides clothing or a "guild lounge". (08/18 15:16:42) Marein.: To send in their Ages to the 'database' so they can be imported by others (08/18 15:16:47) Dovahn: A lot of people have mentioned that they would like to independently... (08/18 15:16:54) Dovahn: develop ages, not connected with the GoW. (08/18 15:16:56) Paradox: I'm thinking that we might at some point want to have members sign an "NDA" about future content, so that it isn't spoiled for other players (08/18 15:17:12) GermanShepherd: independent ages? o.O (08/18 15:17:21) Paradox: Ideally though, there should be no "priveleges" to being in the GoW (08/18 15:17:31) Paradox: I'm not sure how independant Ages would work (08/18 15:17:39) Dovahn: I think that having "guild clothing" or something like that wouldn't be a problem. (08/18 15:17:44) Paradox: It's possible that all Ages need to go through the GoW; so having a " (08/18 15:17:51) Paradox: non-members can submit Ages" (08/18 15:17:57) Paradox: section might be a good idea (08/18 15:18:04) Marein.: Guild clothing and the like would easily leak though (08/18 15:18:07) Dovahn: As for the independent ages, it makes some sense to have it pass through the GoMa. (08/18 15:18:23) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:18:24) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:18:25) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:18:25) GermanShepherd: ideally, Ages should always pass through Writers/Maintainers... (08/18 15:18:26) Paradox: Dovahn > yes, I think that all user-Ages will pass through the GoMa (08/18 15:18:28) Robert The Rebuilder: Another question: (08/18 15:18:33) Robert The Rebuilder: How does one qualify to be a member of the GoW? (08/18 15:18:39) Connor Mclyrr: wheres the clock? (08/18 15:18:40) Dovahn: Sign up? (08/18 15:18:48) Tai'lahr: By the classroom (08/18 15:18:52) Connor Mclyrr: eoh (08/18 15:18:55) Paradox: I was hoping to have a structure wsimilar to the one used by The New Tree (08/18 15:19:00) Craigmont: where do you get the gametap teashirts (08/18 15:19:06) Marein.: Par: What's that? (08/18 15:19:10) Dovahn: What's that, Paradox? (08/18 15:19:20) Paradox: You sign up, agree to an agreement that you will abide by the rules (and with the consequence of being banned if you don't) (08/18 15:19:31) Paradox: Then you're a member and can contribute to projects (08/18 15:19:42) Marein.: Yes, so no kinds of test or qualifications (08/18 15:19:49) Dovahn: That sounds fine. (08/18 15:19:49) Luetwo: ssems reasonable (08/18 15:19:54) Connor Mclyrr: ok (08/18 15:19:57) Paradox: However, I think that we will need an extra step in here somewhere because otherwise we could have the whole Uru universe signing up (08/18 15:20:00) Metaigahn: works for me (08/18 15:20:09) Dovahn: Now what if someone signs up and doesn't provide quality work? (08/18 15:20:13) GermanShepherd: I would go so far as to say that if nobody contributes to a project for a set amount of time, they can be... relieved... (08/18 15:20:22) Paradox: I don't like the idea of a "test"; but having something to prove that you can contribute might be a requirement (08/18 15:20:38) Dovahn: How could you prove that? (08/18 15:20:44) Marein.: Maybe the one and only rank that members can achieve within the Guild would be Writer, which they could do by actually showing work they did? (08/18 15:20:45) Paradox: (so a fanfiction story, a blender model, a texture, nothing complicated though...) (08/18 15:20:50) GermanShepherd: unless you want to shoot for the real D'ni GoW and have a training center :D (08/18 15:21:06) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:21:07) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:21:09) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:21:11) Marein.: And the non-Writer rank would be... Uhm... I dunno, something (08/18 15:21:12) Robert The Rebuilder: Next question: (08/18 15:21:17) Robert The Rebuilder: What are the different skills that a GoW member could have? (08/18 15:21:37) Marein.: 3D modeling skills, programming skills (08/18 15:21:38) Paradox: Artist, Builder, Musician, Coder, Storyline (08/18 15:21:41) Luetwo: think we need a private way to communicate and leave messages for each other (08/18 15:21:42) Marein.: Music skills... (08/18 15:21:47) Dovahn: Ability to make 3D models. (08/18 15:21:50) SteveDenton: Concept artist? (08/18 15:22:09) Metaigahn: in general, everything above, but one can also be specialized in a team... (08/18 15:22:12) Marein.: Luetwo: That could be done with a private forum section (08/18 15:22:18) Dovahn: So artist could be anything from texturer to concept artist. (08/18 15:22:28) Paradox: Concept Artists to design Ages and make textures, Builders to build it in 3D, Muscicians to add sound, Coders to write Python, Stroyline to do... storyline (08/18 15:22:40) Paradox: And some post-process people to ensure that it all gets put together (08/18 15:22:53) Dovahn: I think there would need to be a specific "texture" job, because it is very broad. (08/18 15:23:04) Marein.: Of course some people could fullfill multiple roles (08/18 15:23:04) Paradox: As well, it might be nice to have a small team of testers who view the Age before the GoMa (08/18 15:23:10) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:23:11) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:23:13) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:23:16) Robert The Rebuilder: Next question: (08/18 15:23:19) Robert The Rebuilder: How would we distinguish between beginners and experts? (08/18 15:23:34) Marein.: Do we need to? (08/18 15:23:36) GermanShepherd: you shouldn't... just look at their work :p (08/18 15:23:39) Paradox: Hopefully we wouldn't :P (08/18 15:23:41) SteveDenton: Exactly what I was going to ask. (08/18 15:23:52) Metaigahn: proof in the pudding... (08/18 15:23:54) SteveDenton: (Referenceing Marein's question) (08/18 15:24:00) Robert The Rebuilder: Let me clarify: if you're a newbie and you need help, how do you find who to ask? (08/18 15:24:07) loyholleran: iwont to be in this group be how (08/18 15:24:13) Paradox: Just post a question, someone will answer it (08/18 15:24:17) Marein.: You can do so on your own experience but as I said before there shouldn't be any ranks (except for, perhaps, actual writers and 'spectators') (08/18 15:24:28) Dovahn: But how do you know if it's a good answer or bad answer? (08/18 15:24:47) Marein.: If it isn't someone will correct it (08/18 15:24:47) Metaigahn: does the answer 'work'?.... (08/18 15:24:48) Tai'lahr: Cause if it's bad, everyone else will jump in! (08/18 15:24:50) Paradox: Dovahn > You trust ;) (post count and previous answers could be useful here) (08/18 15:24:55) Connor Mclyrr: maybe talk to the person by slectiong them in age players (08/18 15:25:10) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:25:11) GermanShepherd: perhaps have some members apply for a... help status... where they DO have to pass a test to be qualifed as an expert builder (08/18 15:25:11) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:25:11) Dovahn: So "post count" could be an answer to the original question. (08/18 15:25:12) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:25:14) Robert The Rebuilder: Next question: (08/18 15:25:21) Robert The Rebuilder: Would an age creation team need a leader? And what are the responsibilities of a team leader? (08/18 15:25:31) Paradox: This is a difficult one (08/18 15:25:44) Metaigahn: project admin (08/18 15:25:53) GermanShepherd: well... if it's someone's idea, sure... if it's a collective idea, then no... (08/18 15:25:58) Paradox: There needs to be a "Project organizer" to oversee each project (08/18 15:26:00) Dovahn: Yes. Someone needs to coordinate everyone else's work. (08/18 15:26:03) Marein.: If there would be a leader their job would be to collect all the work into one place, for one thing (08/18 15:26:12) Connor Mclyrr: depends on the project (08/18 15:26:18) Paradox: However, I don't like the idea of a "team leader" who is appointed (08/18 15:26:23) Dovahn: Why not? (08/18 15:26:30) Paradox: I'd rather see someone take the initiative by themselves (08/18 15:26:42) Paradox: or emerge based on experience and skill (08/18 15:26:48) Dovahn: But that doesn't prevent "powerhungry" people from just taking control. (08/18 15:27:04) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:27:05) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:27:06) Paradox: Dovahn > It should actually (08/18 15:27:06) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:27:08) SteveDenton: What if someone who'd expressed interest in the project was elected by other project members? (08/18 15:27:09) Robert The Rebuilder: NExt question: (08/18 15:27:14) Robert The Rebuilder: What would be the responsibilities of a governing council? (08/18 15:27:25) loyholleran: how does a neighbors become age players (08/18 15:27:37) Paradox: Governing council?... (08/18 15:28:02) Marein.: To collect the finished Ages and make them publically available in a very user-friendly way, among other things (08/18 15:28:11) Paradox: There shouldn't be a "Guild Master" for the Guild of Writers (08/18 15:28:15) Dovahn: Why not? (08/18 15:28:37) Paradox: There could be a team that oversees the process (08/18 15:28:48) Marein.: No but there needs to be a little team or maybe even one person if that's possible that executes the final ctage of the ages (08/18 15:28:50) Dovahn: Those would be the "guild masters" I think. (08/18 15:28:51) Paradox: Dovahn > I'm looking at past events and what worked and didn't work (08/18 15:28:52) Robert The Rebuilder: Team - council : same kinda idea (08/18 15:28:53) Marein.: And keeps the public updated (08/18 15:29:23) Paradox: Dovahn > TNT was really open and they did some amazing work; AB was a bit more closed, and had some administration issues (08/18 15:29:34) Metaigahn: team that coordinated AGES and does admin for the GOW... (08/18 15:29:47) Dovahn: Okay. (08/18 15:29:50) Paradox: I'm also using info from the DRCLs and D'net to find out what should _never_ happen (08/18 15:30:03) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:30:04) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:30:04) Dovahn: Ah, the DRCL. (08/18 15:30:05) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:30:10) GermanShepherd: heh... plenty of examples of what not to do out there :D (08/18 15:30:13) Robert The Rebuilder: Next to last question in this segment: (08/18 15:30:14) Paradox: A team that oversees things and passes Ages along to the GoMa and to the public sounds like a good idea (08/18 15:30:18) Robert The Rebuilder: Who would be elegible for being on the governing council? (08/18 15:30:37) Paradox: Ideally, one person from each "department" (08/18 15:30:48) Dovahn: By popular vote? (08/18 15:30:49) Paradox: (artists, builders, coders, musicians, storyline) (08/18 15:31:20) Paradox: I'm of the mind that voting will never keep people happy :P (08/18 15:31:21) Marein.: Yes (08/18 15:31:26) Marein.: Also (08/18 15:31:31) Marein.: That makes 5 ^^ (08/18 15:31:36) Dovahn: Yeah, but what else. How should they be chosen? (08/18 15:31:52) Paradox: The important thing is to make sure that the "overseers" aren't locked into that position (08/18 15:32:02) Luetwo: those who haved worked on ages before (08/18 15:32:08) Paradox: and that they don't have power over the other members (08/18 15:32:19) Dovahn: A lot of people would have worked on ages. (08/18 15:32:31) Dovahn: How should the administrators be chosen? (08/18 15:32:32) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:32:33) Luetwo: but not everyone (08/18 15:32:34) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:32:35) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:32:40) Robert The Rebuilder: Final question in this segment: (08/18 15:32:43) Robert The Rebuilder: How do we elect a governing council? (08/18 15:32:54) Dovahn: ...exactly (08/18 15:33:14) Connor Mclyrr: yeah (08/18 15:33:21) Dovahn: It has to be more definite than "whoever rises to power" (08/18 15:33:26) Robert The Rebuilder: Feel free to spread around to this side folks. (08/18 15:33:28) Paradox: uhm, I'd like to see it done by experience and commitment to the community (08/18 15:33:33) Robert The Rebuilder: I'm getting a little lonely here... :-) (08/18 15:33:38) Dovahn: Yes, but how do you choose that? (08/18 15:33:39) Luetwo: well I would never want to be on governing council (08/18 15:33:39) Robert The Rebuilder wants you to come over (08/18 15:33:40) Paradox: yeah... spread around the circle :P (08/18 15:33:53) Paradox: Luetwo > Neither would I (08/18 15:34:01) Luetwo: great worker bee, lousy leader (08/18 15:34:11) Dovahn: It's a great ideal, but how can you determine who has "commitment to the community"? (08/18 15:34:33) Marein.: Also, a huge load of people have that (08/18 15:34:40) Paradox: yeah (08/18 15:34:40) Connor Mclyrr: wlctionn mgiht help! (08/18 15:34:41) SteveDenton: Wouldn't it reveal itself naturally over time? (08/18 15:34:44) Dovahn: Yeah. (08/18 15:34:54) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:34:55) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:34:56) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:34:58) Dovahn: No! (sorry). Revealing naturaly leads to elitism. (08/18 15:34:58) Connor Mclyrr: election might help* (08/18 15:35:00) Robert The Rebuilder: OK - next segment: (08/18 15:35:01) Paradox: I think that leaders will naturally emerge (08/18 15:35:05) Robert The Rebuilder: Inter-Guild Relationships: how GoW interacts with other guilds (08/18 15:35:11) Robert The Rebuilder: First question: (08/18 15:35:12) Dovahn: Paradox, that can lead to elitism. (08/18 15:35:16) Paradox: true (08/18 15:35:21) Robert The Rebuilder: How much control over the availability of a new age would GoW members be willing to give to the Guild of Maintainers? (08/18 15:35:28) Dovahn: Which we definitely *don't* want. (08/18 15:35:30) Paradox: Very little (08/18 15:35:47) Dovahn: "Availability"? (08/18 15:35:56) Paradox: GoMa are there to test and report bugs; from what I've seen, most of them want to get control of the entire process (08/18 15:36:01) Robert The Rebuilder: C.larification: available to the general public (08/18 15:36:13) Luetwo: Think they should be able to use it before given to everyone and then make suggestions, not changes (08/18 15:36:22) Dovahn: Well, they should be able to debug. I think that's it. (08/18 15:36:34) Paradox: Ideally the GoW passes the Age to the GoMa; when the GoMa agrees that the Age is safe, the GoW releases it (08/18 15:36:44) Danny Cochran: may I please join your Bevin (08/18 15:37:03) Paradox: Danny > It's not a Bevin, it's a neighbourhood (08/18 15:37:06) Luetwo: isn't that their job- to ensure the safety og ages (08/18 15:37:28) Connor Mclyrr: drc does that too (08/18 15:37:28) Paradox: yes (08/18 15:37:34) GermanShepherd: the maintainer's guild doesn't release the age, they just approve it (08/18 15:37:42) Dovahn: Right. (08/18 15:37:43) Paradox: DRC likely won't be involved with the GoW Ages (08/18 15:37:52) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:37:53) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:37:54) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:37:57) Robert The Rebuilder: Next question: (08/18 15:38:03) Robert The Rebuilder: Who (in the GoW) should the Guild of Maintainers contact if any issues were discovered in a new age? (08/18 15:38:15) GermanShepherd: project leader (08/18 15:38:15) Dovahn: THe project leader, I would imagine. (08/18 15:38:18) Paradox: Ideally there would be a ticket system (08/18 15:38:35) SteveDenton: I agree with the ticketing notion. (08/18 15:38:37) Dovahn: That seems somewhat impersonal, though. (08/18 15:39:00) Luetwo: or we could name several contacts each time we give them an age (08/18 15:39:01) SteveDenton: Not if a prompt and friendly response if given... (08/18 15:39:03) GermanShepherd: I say we need to encourage personal communication... make it less mechanical (08/18 15:39:05) SteveDenton: *is (08/18 15:39:08) Paradox: Ideally having the "Post-process" crew being notified would be nice; then they can pass it onto whoever needs to fix it (08/18 15:39:16) Connor Mclyrr: ticet cane be fun! (08/18 15:39:17) Dovahn: GS > I agree. (08/18 15:39:17) Danny Cochran: Bevin (08/18 15:39:17) Tai'lahr: But, the system is already in place, and it works right now, and many of those who use that system will be joining the GoMa. (08/18 15:39:31) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:39:32) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:39:33) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:39:35) Robert The Rebuilder: Next question: (08/18 15:39:40) Robert The Rebuilder: How would the GoW track issues found by the Guild of Maintainers? (08/18 15:39:51) GermanShepherd: that's where the ticket system would come in :p (08/18 15:39:59) Dovahn: Either the individuals keep track, or we use a ticket system as has been mentioned. (08/18 15:40:08) GermanShepherd: an internal ticket system (08/18 15:40:13) GermanShepherd: like mozilla bug tracker :D (08/18 15:40:18) Dovahn: Yes, I like "internal". (08/18 15:40:29) Metaigahn: agreed (08/18 15:40:32) Paradox: yeah, bug tracker, similar to the Uru Live support site (08/18 15:40:45) Paradox: or the Alcugs Trac (if anone uses that other than myself and robert) (08/18 15:40:50) Robert The Rebuilder: lol (08/18 15:40:58) Marein.: Never heard of it :D (08/18 15:41:04) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:41:04) Paradox: :P (08/18 15:41:05) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:41:05) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:41:08) Robert The Rebuilder: Next question: (08/18 15:41:13) Robert The Rebuilder: What services would the Guild of Messengers provide for the GoW? (08/18 15:41:20) Dovahn: Publicity? (08/18 15:41:23) Marein.: Yeah (08/18 15:41:26) Marein.: Getting out news and promos (08/18 15:41:31) Marein.: About new ages (08/18 15:41:36) Paradox: uhm... nothing? Possibly some publicity that " has been released by the GoW" (08/18 15:41:40) Dovahn: And publicising concept art and previews. (08/18 15:41:42) Connor Mclyrr: publicty newsletters! (08/18 15:41:46) Connor Mclyrr: mail (08/18 15:41:50) GermanShepherd: announcing ages, announcing discovered dangers ;) (08/18 15:42:01) Connor Mclyrr claps his hands (08/18 15:42:03) Paradox: The GoMsg will likely be more for relaying DRC events and news (08/18 15:42:05) Robert The Rebuilder: Announcing spoiler! No, wait... (08/18 15:42:20) Connor Mclyrr: yeah (08/18 15:42:22) Marein.: Par: Why would that be? (08/18 15:42:48) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:42:49) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:42:50) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:42:51) GermanShepherd: it would be neat if the Guilds were all closed about things and they only communicated via the Messengers (08/18 15:42:53) Robert The Rebuilder: Next question: (08/18 15:42:58) Robert The Rebuilder: What services would the Guild of Greeters provide for the GoW? (08/18 15:43:05) GermanShepherd: absolutely nothing :D (08/18 15:43:06) Marein.: Mmm... (08/18 15:43:06) GermanShepherd: >.> (08/18 15:43:07) Dovahn: Not much. (08/18 15:43:09) Paradox: not too much.. (08/18 15:43:09) Marein.: Yeah not much I think (08/18 15:43:12) Connor Mclyrr: no anncouicng spoilers unleesss they ask for it! (08/18 15:43:16) tomw: Brb (08/18 15:43:24) Paradox: Maybe introducing people to the concept and telling them how to find us (08/18 15:43:28) Tai'lahr: Hey, I've already answered a few newbie questions during this meeting! (08/18 15:43:42) Marein.: Nothing at least until fan Ages go online (08/18 15:43:49) Marein.: Then they can help newbies in them (08/18 15:43:56) Connor Mclyrr: same here (08/18 15:43:58) Dovahn: Give tours, etc. (08/18 15:44:09) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:44:10) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:44:11) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:44:13) Robert The Rebuilder: Next question: (08/18 15:44:18) Robert The Rebuilder: What services would the Guild of Cartographers provide for the GoW? (08/18 15:44:19) Marein.: Make maps! (08/18 15:44:27) Paradox: Map Ages, give documentation about features (08/18 15:44:30) Dovahn: Make maps of the ages, of course! (08/18 15:44:44) Dovahn: :) (08/18 15:44:44) SteveDenton: Check for plot holes? (08/18 15:44:59) Paradox: The concept Artists might want to work with GoC for the maps to ensure that details are covered (08/18 15:45:01) GermanShepherd: project team would disclose everything to Cartographers, and they'd release things to the public (08/18 15:45:21) tnt: hi evry one!! (08/18 15:45:26) Robert The Rebuilder: SHorah, tnt! (08/18 15:45:30) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:45:31) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:45:31) GermanShepherd: just... gotta make sure GoW doesn't try to do EVERYTHING, when there are other guilds that specialize in those things (08/18 15:45:33) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:45:37) SteveDenton: Modelers would have to work closely with GoC too. (08/18 15:45:38) Paradox: GS > Agreed (08/18 15:45:38) Robert The Rebuilder: Final question in this segment: (08/18 15:45:45) Robert The Rebuilder: Would there need to be subguilds of the Guild of Writers, or would these other guilds be fully self-sufficient? (08/18 15:46:00) Paradox: Sub-guilds makes it soundlike they are less importantr (08/18 15:46:10) Dovahn: Clarification please. What do youmean, these other guilds? (08/18 15:46:12) Paradox: I prefer to think of it as "departments" (08/18 15:46:13) GermanShepherd: the other guilds are there for a reason ;) (08/18 15:46:14) Marein.: More like departments (08/18 15:46:17) Marein.: Yeah what Par said (08/18 15:46:30) Dovahn: Well, departments, but it's the same as "sub guilds" just a different word. (08/18 15:46:39) Paradox: Although there is an exception: The "Guild of Ink Makers" (the tool developers) (08/18 15:46:40) Marein.: Better word (08/18 15:46:42) Robert The Rebuilder: Clarification: there's interest in a Guild of Artists. Would they be a subguild/department, or a full guild? (08/18 15:46:44) Luetwo: like departments better (08/18 15:46:50) Paradox: (as we've taken to calling ourselves) (08/18 15:46:50) GermanShepherd: it would be okay to make departments, I think, as long as they're not there to replace another sanctioned guild (08/18 15:46:58) SteveDenton: Departements make perfect sense, but it should be clear that they don't all have to be organizaed the same way. (08/18 15:47:12) Paradox: I think that the Guild of Artists could easily be its own Guild (08/18 15:47:13) SteveDenton: Or as a mini-guild, as sub-guild might imply. (08/18 15:47:14) Dovahn: Ah, I see. In other words, should the ideas for new guilds be created as part of the GoW. (08/18 15:47:17) GermanShepherd: guild of artists was more for paintings and stories, right? o.O (08/18 15:47:19) Marein.: Also in the old D'ni those guilds weren't sub-guilds (08/18 15:47:20) GermanShepherd: nothing to do with ages... (08/18 15:47:31) Marein.: So departments are better (08/18 15:47:36) Paradox: But some of the artists would likely also work with GoW for concept Art, and be part of the "Artists department" (08/18 15:47:42) Dovahn: I think, for example, guild of artists is not related to us. We would have a subsection that does art as well. (08/18 15:47:43) Metaigahn: i prefer "department" to refer to groups of specialists in the GOW (08/18 15:47:47) Marein.: Par: Exactly (08/18 15:48:08) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:48:09) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:48:09) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:48:10) GermanShepherd: people are only allowed to join one guild, though right? (08/18 15:48:13) Robert The Rebuilder: Next segment: (08/18 15:48:16) Danny Cochran: may I join Neighborhood (08/18 15:48:17) Robert The Rebuilder: Home: requirements for the future official GoW site (08/18 15:48:18) Paradox: (I know that department and sub-guild mean the same thing, but "department" sounds like it's more included rather than being a "sub" guild, something less) (08/18 15:48:20) Dovahn: Would they be part of it, or would it be a separage "staff" (08/18 15:48:21) Robert The Rebuilder: First question: (08/18 15:48:30) Robert The Rebuilder: What would you expect to find on a GoW web site? (08/18 15:48:44) Luetwo: list of ages being created (08/18 15:48:45) Dovahn: Forum, "coming soon", project pages (possibly) (08/18 15:48:52) GermanShepherd: for a non-member, not much (08/18 15:49:04) Connor Mclyrr: hey (08/18 15:49:07) Paradox: Forum definitely, likely a trac/issue tracker (08/18 15:49:11) Dovahn: For members, there would likely be a large back end system for bug tracking. (08/18 15:49:25) Metaigahn: links for tools, possibly (08/18 15:49:25) Marein.: And some teasers, coming soons, but not a page about every project (08/18 15:49:36) Paradox: Subversion, Wiki, Forum, Trac, FTP for departments/projects (08/18 15:49:36) Dovahn: Maybe for members, though. (08/18 15:49:44) Dovahn: What would the wiki be for? (08/18 15:49:45) Marein.: Maybe (08/18 15:49:57) Dovahn: FTP is good, though. (08/18 15:49:59) Connor Mclyrr: wiki is awosme (08/18 15:50:05) Paradox: For the public, a "coming soon" page, a detailed desription of what the Guild is/does (08/18 15:50:08) Marein.: Well that could be about the different projects (08/18 15:50:15) Paradox: How to join, etc (08/18 15:50:17) Marein.: (the wiki( (08/18 15:50:18) Marein.: ) (08/18 15:50:31) Paradox: Mar > Wiki for tutorials and how to use the tool (08/18 15:50:33) Paradox: +s (08/18 15:50:45) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:50:46) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:50:47) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:50:49) Marein.: That too but info about every project and who's in it would be handy too (08/18 15:50:50) Robert The Rebuilder: Next question: (08/18 15:50:54) Robert The Rebuilder: Should anyone be able to access the resources on a GoW site? (08/18 15:51:09) Dovahn: What "resources" do you mean? (08/18 15:51:11) Marein.: Define "resources" (08/18 15:51:14) Connor Mclyrr: beides bahros ues (08/18 15:51:16) Dovahn: Objects and textures? (08/18 15:51:22) Connor Mclyrr: yes* (08/18 15:51:26) Paradox: It depends on the projects (08/18 15:51:26) Robert The Rebuilder: Resources = all the things you just mentioned (08/18 15:51:36) Connor Mclyrr: members or new memebrs too (08/18 15:51:38) Paradox: Some specific project resources, no (08/18 15:51:47) Paradox: General textures and objects: yes (08/18 15:51:51) Robert The Rebuilder: anyone = members & nonmembers (08/18 15:52:03) Metaigahn: limited access to anything that might e copyrightable... (08/18 15:52:06) Marein.: nonmembers (non-writers at least) shouldn't have access to the Wiki (08/18 15:52:23) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:52:24) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:52:25) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:52:26) Connor Mclyrr: wiki is free and open to anyone (08/18 15:52:28) Robert The Rebuilder: Next question: (08/18 15:52:32) Robert The Rebuilder: How much file storage would a GoW server need? (08/18 15:52:33) Paradox: So, anyone can go and grab the grass texture and the cone model; but only members can grab the Age logo texture and the project models (08/18 15:52:34) Marein.: Not if there's spoilers in there (08/18 15:52:39) Marein.: in the wiki that is (08/18 15:52:48) Luetwo: but I think there should be a way for them to make suggestions or leave ideas for the future, if they don't want to join us or doit themselves (08/18 15:52:49) Dovahn: Well, how big is an average age? (08/18 15:52:56) Paradox: It really depends; I'm thinking that an FTP for each project/Age (08/18 15:52:56) Marein.: Yeah? (08/18 15:52:59) Dovahn: (In filesize, I mean) (08/18 15:53:10) Paradox: When the Age is released, the FTP content is archived (08/18 15:53:25) Robert The Rebuilder: Take a peek in your dat folder: between 10 and 50 MB (including sounds) (08/18 15:53:40) Marein.: Mmm that's okay (08/18 15:53:41) Paradox: That's only PRP files (08/18 15:53:47) Paradox: not textures and models (08/18 15:53:52) Dovahn: Keep in mind that we would be working with uncompressed stuff. (08/18 15:53:56) Marein.: I wonder if our Ages will be bigger because of our inexperience (08/18 15:54:05) Paradox: Mar > no (08/18 15:54:06) Dovahn: Marein> Probably. (08/18 15:54:11) Dovahn: Oh, never mind... :) (08/18 15:54:14) Marein.: Heh (08/18 15:54:15) SteveDenton: Heh. (08/18 15:54:18) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:54:18) Serana (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute): (08/18 15:54:19) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:54:19) Serana (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute): (08/18 15:54:20) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:54:24) Connor Mclyrr: i'm fine (08/18 15:54:24) Robert The Rebuilder: NExt question: (08/18 15:54:29) Robert The Rebuilder: How much upload/download bandwith per day would a GoW server need? (08/18 15:54:29) Paradox: I'd say about 50 MB / project if possible (08/18 15:54:30) Luetwo: Marein (08/18 15:54:34) Marein.: Yes? (08/18 15:54:36) Paradox: A LOT (08/18 15:54:36) Luetwo: Paradox (08/18 15:54:41) Paradox: yeah? (08/18 15:54:58) Metaigahn: lots of server space, and lots of bandwidth....both (08/18 15:55:02) Connor Mclyrr: welll tons (08/18 15:55:15) Paradox: I'm thinking that an SVN server might be better than FTP in some ways (08/18 15:55:16) Dovahn: The more, the better. ;) (08/18 15:55:26) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:55:27) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:55:28) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:55:32) Robert The Rebuilder: Final question in this segment: (08/18 15:55:38) Paradox: SVN isn't quite as simple, but it works fairly well for projects like these (08/18 15:55:39) Robert The Rebuilder: What kind of server administrator would the GoW server need: student, working professional, or dedicated web hosting admin? (08/18 15:55:52) Paradox: Dedicated web-hosting admin (08/18 15:56:07) Dovahn: But if one isn't available... What's the least we can do with? (08/18 15:56:20) Paradox: A server with lots of uptime; lots of space; and someone who knows what they're doing with regards to configuration (08/18 15:56:39) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:56:40) Paradox: Dovahn > If necessary, a computer sitting in someone's bedroom without a monitor :P (08/18 15:56:40) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:56:41) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:56:45) Robert The Rebuilder: OK - last segment: (08/18 15:56:48) Robert The Rebuilder: Plans: short term and long term (08/18 15:56:53) Robert The Rebuilder: First question: (08/18 15:56:55) Dovahn: Par> THat might be tricky... (08/18 15:57:02) Robert The Rebuilder: What could an unofficial GoW do without support by the DRC/Cyan? (08/18 15:57:14) Dovahn: Not much. We need to be able to publish ages. (08/18 15:57:20) Paradox: Build Ages, export Ages, play Ages in PotS (08/18 15:57:21) SteveDenton: Make CC ages and wait? (08/18 15:57:26) Marein.: Yes (08/18 15:57:27) Dovahn: That's the very least we need. (08/18 15:57:36) Paradox: We need even minimal support fro mCyan in order to put anything into MOUL (08/18 15:57:53) Marein.: How can we not get support from Cyan though if they invented the new Guild system? (08/18 15:58:11) Paradox: Marein > GD said that the guilds might be years in coming :\ (08/18 15:58:12) Robert The Rebuilder: Marein - see GreyDragon's post (08/18 15:58:19) Marein.: Oh... :/ (08/18 15:58:39) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:58:39) tnt (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute): (08/18 15:58:40) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:58:40) tnt (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute): (08/18 15:58:40) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 15:58:41) tnt (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute): (08/18 15:58:43) Robert The Rebuilder: Next question: (08/18 15:58:43) tnt (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute): (08/18 15:58:50) Robert The Rebuilder: Would anyone be willing to form an unofficial GoW (working only in Uru:Complete Chronicles, not MO:UL)? (08/18 15:58:50) tnt (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute): (08/18 15:59:05) Luetwo: Will Cyan want to make suggestions or changes to our ages (08/18 15:59:12) Marein.: Don't we have groups for that yet? (08/18 15:59:14) Paradox: In thoery, anything that works in PotS will also work in MOUL (08/18 15:59:15) Dovahn: If we can't get to MOUL, then yes, but if we can, why not? (08/18 15:59:17) Connor Mclyrr: until uru is dead (08/18 15:59:25) Connor Mclyrr: btu we can bring it bacl! (08/18 15:59:36) Paradox: Connor > UU is dead, it will stay that way forever (08/18 15:59:48) Metaigahn: yes...if not MOUL, then CC... (08/18 15:59:53) Marein.: What if MOUL fails Par? :D (08/18 16:00:01) Marein.: Who knows what might happen then (08/18 16:00:05) Dovahn: Knock on wood! :) (08/18 16:00:10) Marein.: Done (08/18 16:00:16) Paradox: So if a GoW was set up right now with CC/PotS; we could still build Ages, test them, and then export them for MOUL later (08/18 16:00:23) Robert The Rebuilder: Right (08/18 16:00:31) Metaigahn: sounds like a plan (08/18 16:00:32) Robert The Rebuilder: And we can even get GoMa in the action ,too (08/18 16:00:49) Marein.: But what about the Age Builders group that we have now? (08/18 16:00:58) Marein.: That still exists, right? (08/18 16:01:05) Paradox: Everything is mostly compatible between PotS and MOUL (in a very complicated way) (08/18 16:01:05) Robert The Rebuilder: It could transform into an unofficial GoW... (08/18 16:01:07) Connor Mclyrr: we could brignt some ages form uu cc on ehre! (08/18 16:01:16) Robert The Rebuilder: that would be a template for the official one (once Cyan allows it) (08/18 16:01:30) Robert The Rebuilder: [soory - unofficial -> official) (08/18 16:01:31) Paradox: Robert > That could be a good idea (08/18 16:01:42) Marein.: Connor: No, we can't touch Cyan's work (08/18 16:01:42) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 16:01:44) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 16:01:44) tnt (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute): (08/18 16:01:45) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 16:01:45) tnt (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute): (08/18 16:01:47) Robert The Rebuilder: Next question: (08/18 16:01:52) Robert The Rebuilder: What would need to be finalized before an unofficial GoW could be formed? (08/18 16:02:00) Paradox: Forums.. (08/18 16:02:04) Dovahn: Well, having a home would be nice. (08/18 16:02:08) Dovahn: As Par said. (08/18 16:02:29) Robert The Rebuilder: What about a mission statement? Or a structure? Rules? Etc. (08/18 16:02:30) Paradox: right now we are in contact with multiple Age Creation groups and we are working to get a meeting palce set up with everything that was mentioned above (wiki, trac, SVN, etc) (08/18 16:02:52) Dovahn: What "multiple age creation groups"? (08/18 16:02:59) Paradox: A mission statement is good, and a basic structure could be determined (08/18 16:03:04) vid points (08/18 16:03:04) vid: OBJECTION! (08/18 16:03:07) Marein.: Ah and then the other ones would be merged into the new one? (08/18 16:03:15) Marein.: vid... >.> (08/18 16:03:23) Paradox: Dovahn > Age Builders, Guild of Age Crafters, German H'uru, etc. (08/18 16:03:35) Paradox: vid > ... (08/18 16:03:39) Dovahn: Do we need to collaborate with those groups? (08/18 16:03:48) Dovahn: Before we get started, I mean? (08/18 16:03:59) Paradox: Yes, they will be part of the GoW, and I'd like to get their input (08/18 16:04:22) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 16:04:23) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 16:04:24) Robert The Rebuilder: break (08/18 16:04:28) Robert The Rebuilder: Final question (huzzah): (08/18 16:04:34) Robert The Rebuilder: At a minimum, what would Cyan need to provide us to incorporate ages into MO:UL? (08/18 16:04:35) Marein.: Heh (08/18 16:04:40) Paradox: How do they organize their Ages?... I'd like to know if they have a system that works before we reinvent the wheel (08/18 16:04:54) Paradox: Robert > They'd have to add the Ages to the server (08/18 16:05:08) Marein.: A place where the books to our Ages can be found (08/18 16:05:11) Paradox: Cyan need to "provide" us with anything, they just need to be willing to add fan-Ages (08/18 16:05:12) Marein.: Or places even (08/18 16:05:15) Dovahn: And a virtual place to put them (e.g. the library) (08/18 16:05:20) Connor Mclyrr: popen them to the public in bevin lcoater (08/18 16:05:24) Paradox: Cyan need not* (08/18 16:05:33) Robert The Rebuilder: COuld we start with ages that have no scripts (Python) or sound or persistant states (SDL), to make things easier? (08/18 16:05:39) Connor Mclyrr: or put them in books and then open them to the public in bevin! (08/18 16:05:52) Connor Mclyrr: both (08/18 16:06:04) Paradox: Persistant states are a pain; Python shouldn't be an issue (08/18 16:06:09) Robert The Rebuilder: How about ages appearing in a person's nexus? (08/18 16:06:15) Paradox: (SDL being a pain from the Age Builder end) (08/18 16:06:40) Connor Mclyrr: not sure (08/18 16:06:43) Marein.: Robert: What could work is if the Age must be found as a book but is then added to the Nexus by a pedstal, in stead of to Relto (08/18 16:06:44) Paradox: Robert > I'd rather see the city library filled up; or a guild hall or a place where you can actually see the book (08/18 16:06:44) Robert The Rebuilder: Paradox> Python could be an issue, regarding exposure of all the Python classes to the general public (08/18 16:06:57) Marein.: Except of course if the right Relto bookcase could be used... (08/18 16:07:07) An'Dru: What is going on here? (08/18 16:07:16) Robert The Rebuilder: But when we're testing an age, we don't want everyone to have access to it... yet. So, that's why the nexus or Relto seems best initially. (08/18 16:07:18) Luetwo: think the wrters book should be in writers guild a week before everyone else, maybe that would be their payoff (08/18 16:07:20) Marein.: Still, there would be too many Ages to put in a physical place. Nexus would be better although they shouldn't just pop up there (08/18 16:07:28) Paradox: Robert > The Python would undergo tests first (08/18 16:07:42) Robert The Rebuilder: It is also very easy to add an age to the nexus, as opposed to modifying an existing age and adding a book somewhere. (08/18 16:07:56) Marein.: True but that wouldn't be much fun ;) (08/18 16:08:00) Paradox: Robert > Adding to the Nexus seems like cheating somehow (08/18 16:08:00) Robert The Rebuilder: lol (08/18 16:08:00) An'Dru (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute): (08/18 16:08:03) Connor Mclyrr: not sure i have a hard time look to me age (08/18 16:08:07) Marein.: Also there should be an extra tab for fan Ags in the Nexus then (08/18 16:08:12) Dovahn: It wouldn't be good if our ages just became a massive digital list, though. (08/18 16:08:18) Paradox: Or a special "fan-Age Nexus" (08/18 16:08:19) Robert The Rebuilder: Paradox : kinda like Kireland the Watchers pub, eh? (08/18 16:08:29) Marein.: Par: Mmmm nice idea (08/18 16:08:33) Paradox: yeah, although those made sense kinda (08/18 16:08:40) Dovahn: Having actual books makes the work a bit more literal in payoff. (08/18 16:08:45) Robert The Rebuilder: They could appear in the private links section of the nexus (08/18 16:08:46) Marein.: Then that Nexus could have its own tabs to sort the Ages into categories (08/18 16:08:48) Dovahn: You know, we have "the descriptive book" (08/18 16:09:07) Paradox: I think it's a moot point discussing distribution at this stage though (08/18 16:09:15) Paradox: Cyan likely has their own ideas (08/18 16:09:18) Luetwo: i agree, little early (08/18 16:09:19) Dovahn: Yeah... XP (08/18 16:09:19) Robert The Rebuilder: Right - this definitely falls into the "long term" portion of this segment. (08/18 16:09:20) Metaigahn: true (08/18 16:09:30) Robert The Rebuilder: Well, that's all I had. (08/18 16:09:34) Robert The Rebuilder: Thanks to everyone who came! (08/18 16:09:46) Paradox: Thanks for hosting :) (08/18 16:09:47) Robert The Rebuilder: FOr those that came just after the beginning of the meeting, I do have a question for you: (08/18 16:10:02) Robert The Rebuilder: How would you rate your age creation experience on a 5-point scale? (where 1 = none, and 5 = contributed at least 50% to creation of a publicly available age) (08/18 16:10:14) Luetwo: which websote should one go to to ask for help creating an age (08/18 16:10:20) Robert The Rebuilder: [If you already answered this, just ignore this] (08/18 16:10:22) Connor Mclyrr: 1 (08/18 16:10:26) SteveDenton: One with a capital O! (08/18 16:10:26) Marein.: 3 (08/18 16:10:32) Robert The Rebuilder: Luetwo: alcugs.almlys.org/forum (08/18 16:10:33) Dovahn: Luetwo> probably the home page of the GoW. (08/18 16:10:39) Dovahn: (eventually) (08/18 16:10:41) Marein.: (oops sorry Robert, I did answer it already) (08/18 16:10:47) Paradox: Luetwo > Right now the best place is http://blog.hurustudio.org/ (08/18 16:10:51) SteveDenton: I figured I'd better start figuring it all out now if I want to be ready by the time guilds really spring into action. (08/18 16:11:27) Robert The Rebuilder: Thanks again, everyone! I'll post the chat logs on mystonline.com in a few hours. (08/18 16:11:33) Robert The Rebuilder: Well done! (08/18 16:11:34) Robert The Rebuilder claps his hands (08/18 16:11:43) Connor Mclyrr claps his hands (08/18 16:11:46) Dovahn: So... let's get the first annual GoW dance party going! :) (08/18 16:11:51) Robert The Rebuilder: W00T! (08/18 16:11:56) Marein.: Thanks Robert! (08/18 16:11:56) SteveDenton: Ha! (08/18 16:12:10) Connor Mclyrr: lol dovan (08/18 16:12:14) SteveDenton: Indeed. Thank you Robert. (08/18 16:12:15) Paradox: Actually... does anyone know if there's a karaoke party tonight? (08/18 16:12:21) Paradox: >.> (08/18 16:12:27) Marein.: hehe (08/18 16:12:27) Luetwo: haven't heard (08/18 16:12:46) Paradox: I've never been to one, and I keep intending to drop by at some point (08/18 16:13:21) Paradox waves goodbye (08/18 16:13:25) Robert The Rebuilder waves goodbye (08/18 16:18:43) ...Chat.log stopped.